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BUAV guide to charities & animal testing, what about deaf organisations?

BUAV has published a guide, as to which charities are ethically sound when it comes to donating. It describes itself as:

to help animal lovers support health-related charities, secure in the knowledge that their donations will not fund animal research.

Such a publication has to be commended, and a step forward. It is interesting to note that the RNID is not listed so does this mean they fund animal research, and not suitable for BUAV's list? Their quest to eradicate deafness comes with funding animal testing through medical activities? Fund the UK version of this, perhaps?

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As we know the CEO in waiting of the RNID - Jackie Ballard - is currently the Director General of the RSPCA, which promotes the welfare of animals. She's gone on record as supporting this, examples can be seen here and here. Will her new job contradict her old one?

Please use the comment box as to your views on the differences between cosmetic and medical testing, what is necessary and not. Are attempts to eradicate deaf people a necessary procedure?

One comment I do have to make about this guide is how it makes the distinction between funding research (which the guide focuses on) and the indirect support organisations perhaps give?

For example, NDCS is listed in the BUAV guide (see page 7), thus ethically sound and a good donation choice? (There should be a disclaimer here in the interests of transparency, Michelle Thew was once acting CEO of NDCS, now CEO of BUAV). NDCS as an organisation operates a policy of informed choice, and within this produces such publications as Quality Standards for Cochlear Implants. Whatever your views on CIs, quality standards are possibly ultimately about safety, and to ensure say a CI is safe, it will have been tested someplace else. Thus whilst not direct funders of testing, there is an indirect element here, and could be said riding on the backs of others?

CIs is just one example, and the same could be said for genetics, tinnitus even a new implant has been tested on animals in respect of balance disorders.

I do know that the same argument in respect of secondary or indirect effect, and part of a bigger system could be applied to many of the other charities that are listed on that publication, perhaps with the distinction without intervention a human dies, e.g. cancer.

Perhaps one could argue, if you can't beat the system or change the world (you are just one building block), just do the best you can to work with it. Or should people be promoting organic communication, and changing society? Where do you think charities should be the agents of change in respect of this. Who dictates direction: the status quo or the norm, or a minority group?

However, since the BDA is focused on sign language, how come its not listed? Or is that too obvious, but the point is there re promoting viable alternatives to communication, where no compromises have to be made. Or is the BDA secretly funding Koko now?(!)

My question is: where do you draw the line with support for animal testing? Where does support begin and end? Do you think deaf charities are supporting animal testing, either directly or indirectly? Would you give money to charities that fund animal testing? What do you think? Discuss.

Source:
BUAV Guide [PDF]
Third Sector

See also:
New RNID CEO: Jackie Ballard, Acting CEO Brian Lamb

Comments (28)

would be interesting to know if its just because BUAV don't consider either BDA or RNID to be one of the 'health-related charities'

Personally I view rnid a lot more health orientated, probably just behind Defeating Deafness or Deafness Research UK as its known these days.

It does fund medical research, if you look at previous jobs advertised on DUKJ you will see this. I'm pretty sure I've seen somewhere re their aim to cure deafness. Wish I could locate the source, as its one of those things I read at the time but didn't make note of the reference.

Perhaps the BDA doesn't come under the heading 'health' related, thus not included? Either that or its funding similar to Koko?!

http://www.rnid.org.uk/howwehelp/research_and_technology/ perports to show where the research money goes via the RNID.

Animal welfare is a slightly different issue to animal testing. Many people are not against animal testing even if they are very conscious of animal welfare issues.

this is rong that cat is buteilful no need to like kill it i would be very mad if pepole walked up to me and put al this stuff and crap on me!

I disagree with all animal testing. You are killing poor innocent animals who have no say in the matter. What really pisses me off is you guys testing cosmetics on them. What if you were an animal and they tested on you, and they killed you bam your dead, this is what you are doing to these animals. You can't even get an accurate count on how many animals are tested and killed on today, because they as in you guys don't count rats, mice..etc... Its not right it's not safe and its so cruel. Stop what you're doing and think about ti before you do anymore

ya know im totally against animal testing. I show my dogs and i am trying to fight against animal testing. I love my pets and can't believe that they have to do this to poor innocent creatures. they are just loving and have never done ANYTHING wrong. Please post this on other sites if you agree.
Thank you
Sandy

I think that animal testing is getting way out of hand, and how could ANYONE stoop so low and do this to an animal ment for a pet. Would anyone reading be able to just watch this animal suffer and know that the way it looks at you and you dont feel horrible or guilty...id want to kill myself if I did that. why test on animals..they dont have the same side effects as humans. And after you let the poor animal suffer you guys KILL it. I'd go on but im just making myself get put in a bad mood. screw you animal testers!

SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Animal testing is sooo wrong!!! Stupid people like that or anyone should be aloud to do things like this!!! I wish people in this world were nicer, but this whole world is fucked up!!! I wish i could go to those lab's and kill everyone of those people and make them sufer like these poor animals, who doesnt have a voice or cant fight back!!! I would like to bring the most pain to all of those mean people who hurt poor animals. I wouold rather them do tests on people instead of the animals. Hopefully one day this stupid, dumbass, selfish people wake up one day and realize what they are doing wrong. These tests are useless. It angers me so much that i can't do anything about it either! Those people will get paid back one day!!! And it upsets me that the government or noone will help the animals or do anything about it!!!!!

i understand about animal testing for medical reasons but its getting way out of hand. you guys are testing makeup and cosmetics on animals when they have done nothing to desearve being treated like this. animals are our friends and we shouldnt take their rights away from them so that we can look good when we go out. there is no need to test things like that on animals, i know of loads of makeup that isnt tested on animals and its perfectly fine to use. people test on animals for the sake of it. for example, penecillin. people have used that for years and yet they still test it on animals. running electrical currants through monkeys heads, whats that got to do with anything?????? we all already know that it will kill us, its just no use to us to find out something we already know!!!!! and after all the testing, the animals are discared into a bin bag and thrown away!!!!!

ANIMAL TESTING IS SOO WRONG, IM 13. PEOPLE HU CAN DO ALL THIS TO ANIMALS ESPECIALLY FOR COSMETICS MUST BE SO FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD. ITS SO INHUMAN! SERIOUSLY U MUST BE SOO HEARTLESS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT TO A POOR INNOCENT ANIMAL. ID ACTUALLY KINDA PREFER IT IF THEY TESTED ON HUMANS, ESPECCIALLY FOR THINGS SO UNNECESSARY LIKE MAKE-UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i think you people are so freaking messed up how would you like it if they did that to you. FFFFFFFF.RRRRRRRR.EEEEEEEE.EEEEEEEE. TTTTTTTT.HHHHHHH.EEEEEEEE AAAAAA.NNNNNNN.IIIIIIII.MMMMMM.AAAAAAAAAA.LLLLLLLLL.SSSSSSSS

It's such a gorgeous cat with beautiful blue eyes and they have to go and test on it. I think its so wrong. Even the ugliest animal on this earth doesn't deserve to be tested on. It's disgusting!

Just to clarify something - the UK banned animal testing for cosmetics in 1998 and the EU parliament voted for a EU wide ban on animal testing for cosmetics in 2002.

As for animal testing for medical reasons, although I don't like the idea I don't see how it is possible for any medical advances in any field to be made without animal testing. I take paracetamol when i have a headache, I use an inhaler when I have an asthma attack, my Dad has cancer and has undergone radiotherapy - all of these things will have been tested on animals before being passed for human use. In fact, ANY medicine that you have taken in your life will have been tested on animals first, so unless you never take any prescription or over the counter drugs you're being a hypocrite by saying you want to ban all animal testing.

As for Linsey Smith's comment about wanting to kill all of the people in the animal testing labs - I find that kind of attitude absolutely terrifying. You may not agree with what those people do but they are trying to find medical cures for some awful diseases - Cancer, Parkinsons, Alzheimers.....the world is not perfect and if this is the only way medical advances can be made then there is no choice.

Laura, Paracetamol is not necessary. Much of the medicine is not necessary. You mentioned needing an asthma inhaler, for example, this has herbal alternatives - Google for natural asthma inhaler. Cochlear implant is not "necessary", ability to hear is a "want" and definitely not an excuse for animal exploitation.

Imagine that you were in a similar situation to the cat. There's some alien telling you "tough, Laura, we need to 'fix' ourselves up - we're going to cut you up."

and, to top it off, after testing on you, they inform you that you're surplus to requirements and they're going to put you down to sleep.

That's how disgusted I am. This is why I advocate alternative methods.

people who do animal testing are cruel. i'm only 10 yr. old and i hate animal testing. i wrote a essay on why it should be put to a stop. i mean every word. gotta go

u are all sick if animal have testing on them maybe they should test it on you everyone hates you thats why they bomb you factorys ANIMALS HAVE RIGHTS TO LIVE JUST LIKE HUMANS WHY CANT YOU NOT TEST IT ON ANIMALS .ANYONE WHO HATES ANIMAL TESTING STOP USEING MAKE UP THEN

ANIMAL TESTING IS WRONG AND SHOULD BE STOPPED NOW . WHY CANT THEY USE LIFER PRISIONERS INSTEAD

THIS MAKES ME SO SO SO MAD THESE PPL ARE SO DUMB I HATE HATE HATE ANIMAL TESTING AND THINK ITS SO WRONG!!!

You know that picture of the cat? Uh, yeah, that looked like my cat that ran away about 6 years ago. For God's sake, i mean, really, is it really nessesary to teast on animals? i get it if the things they are teasting is for animals, but it's meant for human use, make humans teast it! Jesus!

you ppl are rediculous these animals have feelings and you treat them like a piece of paper you con do what ever you want on it but when your done using it you just throw it out you ppl are redilous i hate you all how can you go to bed at night knowing your gonna get up in the morning and do the very same thing

Why should other species of animals suffer for human related illnesses and more disturbingly cosmetics?!

I don't know how it started, but it never should have. We are exactly the same as any other creature, except we have progressed imensely over the years and our brains and bodies are more developed. We should be using our advantages to care and look after the world, which, luckily, some of us do! However there is a number of people who abuse this and believe they are better than any other animal species. Let me remind you that it is humans who have cut down half of the rainforests, and are now melting the polar ice caps.

I take 6 different medications. I worry if they are tested on animals and regret to say some of them are most likely tested on animals, but i do need to take them.

I understand how many breakthroughs we have had using animal testing, but they are just for the human race, so shouldn't that mean it only involves us, not rats, cats, dogs etc?, They are the same as you, can't you see that?

Also, I am very pleased to here there are new, more reliable ways to find breakthroughs for medication? By growing human tissue to test on

I could go on and on but I think that's enough...

i think that animal testing is sick i was doing a bio project on animal testing and i found out that only 5 to 25 % of the test that they are doing are working most are useless why do we put animals through pain and suffering its horrible as human beings we should know better that this is unmoral our excuse is that we can use logic well where the hell is our logic if we are testing poor innocent animals for beauty purposes

~~+~~READ THIS IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE ANIMALS!!!!~~+~~

Everyone here seems to be saying that "animal testing is wrong! how could people do that to animals!??" but what do you really do about it people? Getting online and talking about how it's wrong isn't going to do anything! Sure, you're spreading the word, but the word doesn't do any good if YOU aren't willing to go out and fight for your cause!
I'm not trying to bash anyone. Please understand that I am just trying to tell you people to get up off your computers and go fight for the change you believe in! May I make a sudgestion? Print out some pictures of animal testing that is done by SPECIFIC companies. Go out to stores that sell these companies products and try to spread the word there. If we get enough people to do this, then certain stores might stop selling those products. Places like Wallgreens and CVS are good places to do this. and what if they kick you out of the store? Well then you get a bunch of people together, and you protest on the sidewalks. The sidewalk is a public place, therefor they cannot make you leave.

There is a slaughter house down the road from my house. If anyone lives in the Orlando, Florida area then please email me at xneverxlostx@hotmail.com

^...^...^Regarding the above^...^...^.......... I hope to get a good ammount of people so I canm protest outside of the slaughterhouse. Also, if anyone of you potential protestors and interested in asking them to give us a tour of the slaughter house then I'm up for it. Most slaughter houses will, in fact, do this. I haven't gotten around to asking this one in specific... But I will very very very soon. as in... tomorow.

animals have just as much right as we have and just because they can not speak for themselves,does not mean that we can take advantage of that and put them through endless suffering just to find a cure that might not work. an animals reaction to drugs is a alot worse than ours is and therefore most end up dying for us. a bond between an animal and a human is called unconditional love ( the purest kind of love ), mess it up by hurting the animal, the animal will hurt you back. all animals that have hurt a human, have died protecting themselves from being hurt even more. you wouldn't hurt a human, so why hurt an animal? You can help put a stop to this cruel act of entertainment by donating to this cause, even a small amount would help save an animals life. i did! (-:

I AM SO AGAINST ANIMAL TESTING.
IT IS WRONG TO TEST ON ANIMALS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF THEY ARE GOING TO TEST ON ANY ONE THEY SHOULD TEDT ON THEM SELVES!!!!!

the stuff you do to the animal is just unhuman. god didnt put the animal on this earth so that you can kill them. he put them because they are beautiful and they trust us.but not any more because of this shit

this is so wrong! so what if we need testing do it on humans.

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